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Post by Basil2 on May 27, 2007 6:22:40 GMT -5
Good to hear about your kids enjoying RL Baz. BTW tell me more about your medical condition. If I heard you right you have had a major heart operation. I suffer from atrial fibulation rus. Not a major issue I can assure you but required a procedure in hospital last week. Spent 4 days in the coronary care ward - a sobering place to be. Hopefully the Dragon's poor form will have a major benefit - the appointment of a decent coach. Off work for 2 weeks rus - one advantage of the whole thing! Back to the thread: If Samoa & Tonga used the parent, grandparent rule for team selection, here is a list of players they could choose a team for the RLWC: [/quote] Why not bring in Italy in that case?? I'm sure we could invoke the parent/grandparent rule to whip up a reasonable Italian side - & why not include Lebanon too while we're at it rus? Might as well make a complete joke of it!!! I think we need only one rule to cover this area - you play either for the country you reside in (3 year qualification period + citizenship) or for the country you were born in. |
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Post by rus on May 27, 2007 18:14:45 GMT -5
Baz
As I understand it, the rule now is that 6 or 7 players must play in a local comp. Not sure if that only means they have to be in the squad of 25 or not.
Here are some Fijians:
Wes Naigama
John Sutton
Aston Sims
Darryl Millard
Nick Bradley-Qualilawa
Jarrod Hayne
& Petero 99-Cents-a-litre
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Post by Basil2 on May 28, 2007 4:27:30 GMT -5
Baz As I understand it, the rule now is that 6 or 7 players must play in a local comp. Not sure if that only means they have to be in the squad of 25 or not. Here are some Fijians: Wes Naigama John Sutton Aston Sims Darryl Millard Nick Bradley-Qualilawa Jarrod Hayne & Petero 99-Cents-a-litre Sorry rus, but this idea is a joke. With as much authenticity you could probably field Greek, Lebanese, a reconstituted Yugoslavia, Italian, Welsh & Scottish sides, not to mention Irish, Fijian etc etc. Either way its a joke!! Only 6-7 sides in a local comp - that's a joke as well. At least ru is actually played in all those minnow nations that compete at the ruwc. |
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Post by windlesaint on May 28, 2007 9:20:29 GMT -5
Other than the 'big' 5 how many countries actually have a league competition up and running?
If you believe the tossers who inhabit the TRL site you would think that there are leagues all over Europe!
So far as I am aware there 'may' be leagues in Lebanon and Fiji. Any others?
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Post by rus on May 28, 2007 17:52:20 GMT -5
Actually Windy I think the 'tossers' (your words) on TRL are quite realistic. From memory apart from those mentioned the following have competitions: Russia, USA, Cook Islands , Morocco,Japan, Tonga (re-started this year) Czech Republic, Serbia, Germany (universities only) & Jamica. Estonia & the Netherlands cobble a team together to play some games as do Malta & Greece. www.rlef.eu.com/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_League_International_Federationwww.rlif.org/members/If you think that's Mickey mouse then you should remember that Australia in the 1920s only had 6 RU teams that played on one oval in Sydney on a Saturday afternoon.s |
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Post by bizzaro on May 29, 2007 3:26:43 GMT -5
Other than the 'big' 5 how many countries actually have a league competition up and running? If you believe the tossers who inhabit the TRL site you would think that there are leagues all over Europe! So far as I am aware there 'may' be leagues in Lebanon and Fiji. Any others? Depending on if you meant England or GB - there is rugby league played regularly in Ireland, Wales (one semi-pro team) and Scotland. Serbia has had regular competition over the past 5 years or so. Also there has been regular competition in Tonga, Cook Islands, Russia and USA for a while now. In Netherlands, Germany, Czech Republic and Jamaica - I would say that there is some rugby league played - but not regularly |
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Post by windlesaint on May 29, 2007 10:59:26 GMT -5
Actually Windy I think the 'tossers' (your words) on TRL are quite realistic. From memory apart from those mentioned the following have competitions: Russia, USA, Cook Islands , Morocco,Japan, Tonga (re-started this year) Czech Republic, Serbia, Germany (universities only) & Jamica. Estonia & the Netherlands cobble a team together to play some games as do Malta & Greece. www.rlef.eu.com/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_League_International_Federationwww.rlif.org/members/If you think that's Mickey mouse then you should remember that Australia in the 1920s only had 6 RU teams that played on one oval in Sydney on a Saturday afternoon.s Realistic are they?? How many teams are in these leagues? More importantly how much continuity is there from 1 season to the next? Tonga - league restarted - why did it have to restart? A rugby loving nation like Tonga should be able to run a competition year on year. I take it that's a NO then for Estonia, Netherlands, Greece & Malta! 20 blokes running around a park with a ball now & again doesn't constitute meaningful competition. I would have thought 6 teams in Sydney would be quite good. How many other cities of that size could do that? Especially as it wasn't/isn't the major sport of the area. If all those European countries mentioned above had proper leagues - say 6 teams + to begin with - running continuously with the original teams plus new ones, then we could start to look forward to meaningful international competition. Sadly that just isn't the case. |
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Post by windlesaint on May 29, 2007 11:10:00 GMT -5
Other than the 'big' 5 how many countries actually have a league competition up and running? If you believe the tossers who inhabit the TRL site you would think that there are leagues all over Europe! So far as I am aware there 'may' be leagues in Lebanon and Fiji. Any others? Depending on if you meant England or GB - there is rugby league played regularly in Ireland, Wales (one semi-pro team) and Scotland. Serbia has had regular competition over the past 5 years or so. Also there has been regular competition in Tonga, Cook Islands, Russia and USA for a while now. In Netherlands, Germany, Czech Republic and Jamaica - I would say that there is some rugby league played - but not regularly But what is the continuity like in Scotland, Wales & Ireland? Do the same teams compete year on year or do they fold when they lose a few games? Wales have had several stabs at starting a league but each 1 has ultimately failed - so far at least. Serbia has had a league for 5 years you say. How many teams? Do they play on park pitches? Are the results reported in the press - local or otherwise? |
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Post by bizzaro on May 30, 2007 3:29:18 GMT -5
But what is the continuity like in Scotland, Wales & Ireland? Do the same teams compete year on year or do they fold when they lose a few games? Some teams have been going for a while and some teams start up, play a season or two and fold. The same thing happens in Australia and I am sure that it happens in England as well. The Cardiff Demons have been going for about 10 years and the Welsh conference has been going for about 3 or 4 years with basically the same teams with a few coming and going. The Irish league has been going for a bit over 5 years (they currently have an amateur rep team touring new zealand) and have expanded over the past few years with a few of the newer clubs folding - but there being more teams than a few years ago yes they have. but now they have more than a couple of teams so if one or two drop out there will still be people playing. They also have league at unis and schools and junior level so there is a bit more depth than a few semi-pro teams Apparently about 6 teams - not sure of the pitch quality of press coverage. I am pretty sure that it is not a fully professional league and they don't get crowds of over 10,000. Apparently it has been going since 2001 - so a bit over 5 years here is the Serbian league website www.rugbyxiii.co.yu/index_eng.htmHere are some pictures from an English junior sides tour to serbia: www.hillsboroughhawks.com/Here is a thread with some pictures of games played in serbia: forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=163668That said - it could be some 14 year old in Wigan having a laff |
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Post by windlesaint on May 30, 2007 8:04:08 GMT -5
Judging by that Serbian website the 2006 season consisted of 3 games - the rest were walkovers!!!
That is no basis for meaningful international competition. Serbia remember is supposed to be more advanced - in rl terms - than places like Germany & the Netherlands.
Also checkout the 'final' score for the first ever Med Cup - 104-0!!!
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Post by rus on May 30, 2007 21:45:02 GMT -5
.http://72.52.152.33/~leagueun/forums/showthread.php?p=3431970#post3431970
Netherland v Russia (pictures)
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Post by bizzaro on May 31, 2007 2:54:19 GMT -5
Judging by that Serbian website the 2006 season consisted of 3 games - the rest were walkovers!!! That is no basis for meaningful international competition. Serbia remember is supposed to be more advanced - in rl terms - than places like Germany & the Netherlands. Yes - they aren't very good. That is probably one reason why they failed to qualify for the 2008 World Cup finals in Australia. Maybe with time they will get better and do better in the qualifiers - maybe they won't improve and will continue getting eliminated in the qualifiers |
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Post by windlesaint on May 31, 2007 7:24:32 GMT -5
Judging by that Serbian website the 2006 season consisted of 3 games - the rest were walkovers!!! That is no basis for meaningful international competition. Serbia remember is supposed to be more advanced - in rl terms - than places like Germany & the Netherlands. Yes - they aren't very good. That is probably one reason why they failed to qualify for the 2008 World Cup finals in Australia. Maybe with time they will get better and do better in the qualifiers - maybe they won't improve and will continue getting eliminated in the qualifiers The fact that they aren't very good is neither here nor there. As you say they should inprove with time. What concerns me is that a supposedly well established fledgling rl nation still only has a 3 game season after 5 years. This is contraction not expansion. |
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Post by Basil2 on May 31, 2007 17:43:59 GMT -5
Yes - they aren't very good. That is probably one reason why they failed to qualify for the 2008 World Cup finals in Australia. Maybe with time they will get better and do better in the qualifiers - maybe they won't improve and will continue getting eliminated in the qualifiers The fact that they aren't very good is neither here nor there. As you say they should inprove with time. What concerns me is that a supposedly well established fledgling rl nation still only has a 3 game season after 5 years. This is contraction not expansion. The Rugby League international Federation (whoever they are) publishes a list of 30 nations uner the heading "RLIF Rankings: I checked out a few of these "supposed" rl playing nations. Some are tenuous to say the least, e.g.,- Holland, Russia, Greece, germany, Austria. Others appear to not exist, or exist in western Sydney, e.g., Malta. Italy's club comp starts this year, ie., non-existent before 2007 & the jury is out on rl in Estonia. Hope that clears up some of the mystery windy. |
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Post by windlesaint on Jun 1, 2007 7:31:05 GMT -5
The Rugby League international Federation (whoever they are) publishes a list of 30 nations uner the heading "RLIF Rankings: I checked out a few of these "supposed" rl playing nations. Some are tenuous to say the least, e.g.,- Holland, Russia, Greece, germany, Austria. Others appear to not exist, or exist in western Sydney, e.g., Malta. Italy's club comp starts this year, ie., non-existent before 2007 & the jury is out on rl in Estonia. Hope that clears up some of the mystery windy. The Estonian rl site appears to be a ru site!!! As I said earlier the inhabitants of TRL appear to be divorced from reality where rl is concerned. |
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